No Color Management will activate...

Dear all,

I'm trying to print out the profiling target via Photoshop CS4. As usual, I made sure my target is Untagged; under print preview I choose ''No Color Management''; Under Epson Printer Driver, I choose ''No Color Adjustment'' with the correct settings for that specific paper. After I print out the target and waited for 48 hrs, then I start to scan my sheets and creat a profile with it. But when I compare the custom made profile to the generic profile, it is almost half of the size smaller. I've tried with different types of paper, profiling software (ProfileMaker, i1Match, MonacoProfiler, Pulse) and printers including 2880, 4880 and 9880. They all came out the same way. I've been told that the ColorSync is activated by Photoshop even I've already selected ''No Color Management'' under Print Preview and ColorSync will automatically assign the default paper profile for that printer. Please can someone tells me is there any solution for this issue?

My settings:

Intel based MacPro

OSX 10.5.8 with the latest Update

ColorSync (The latest version)

Photoshop CS4 with the latest Update

Epson Printer (2880, 4880, 9880) with the latest driver

Thanks

Aaron

No Color Management will activate...

As I understand it, if the drivers are correctly written for Leopard and Snow Leopard then they will (are supposed to) default to ColorSync with No Color Management selected in the driver automatically when Application Manages Color is selected in the print dialog of PSCS4 and LR. At least this is the way the latest Canon printer drivers work.

But who knows this could still be a moving target.

No Color Management will activate...

There is not, at the moment, a reliable way of printing from PS CS4 using 'No Color Management'.?It appears to be broken in CS4 although there is not yet any agreement about who is responsible for this mess and, therefore, who should supply a solution (if anyone !).?Apple, Adobe, and printer manufactures alike are unhelpfully all casting aspersions on each other !

My advice is not to waste any more time on this and print from an earlier version of Photoshop when you need 'No Color Management'.?From my experience, and the reports of others, printing using PS CS4 to colour manage works satisfactorily.

Simon J.A. Simpson wrote:

There is not, at the moment, a reliable way of printing from PS CS4 using 'No Color Management'.?It appears to be broken in CS4 although there is not yet any agreement about who is responsible for this mess and, therefore, who should supply a solution (if anyone !).?Apple, Adobe, and printer manufactures alike are unhelpfully all casting aspersions on each other !

My advice is not to waste any more time on this and print from an earlier version of Photoshop when you need 'No Color Management'.?From my experience, and the reports of others, printing using PS CS4 to colour manage works satisfactorily.

Hi 'Was DYP'.

Here we are again.

I have repeatedly asked Adobe to provide a list of printers which will correctly print without colour management and they have not been able to supply one.?I am given to understand that the Canon iPF series can print without CM using Canon's plug-in and not Adobe's Print dialogue.?Adobe have stated that they have followed Apple's 'new printing APIs' in PS CS4 which require every file sent for printing to have a profile (even if it is not being colour managed) and that this is the cause of the problem.?It is not unreasonable to conclude, at this time, that printing without Colour Management in CS4 is broken for every printer, irrespective of manufacturer.?Certainly, anecdotal evidence from multiple forums across the internet would seem to indicate that this is the case.

I have asked Apple to comment on Adobe's statement but I am unable to post their reply as it is covered by a non-disclosure declamation 閳?even though it would clearly be in Apple's interests to allow me to do so (but, sadly, not in ours).?Suffice it to say that we are no further forward.?Canon, the manufacturer of my printers, have failed to comment in any way whatsoever 閳?despite repeated requests.?Canon have not updated the drivers for my (current and professional) printers.

Not Apple, nor Adobe, nor the printer manufacturers want to fix this problem.

The words 'pathetic' and 'hopeless' spring to mind.

I installed the iPF9000 driver 2.17 today for 10.6 and I don't see any of this behavior.

Printing with Application Manages Color both PS and LR properly defaults to ColorSync (grayed out) in the Color Matching dialog and in the Main/Color it defaults to No Correction.

With Indesign choosing Vendor Matching in the Color Matching dialog and then in Main choose Fast Graphic Process and Color set to No Correction.

All color output using the old printing path with Indesign or the new printing path with PSCS4 and LR looks correct and matches. And printing unmanaged profile target from both printing paths were identical, at least to my trained eye. I did not measure them though.

Turning off CM in the PSCS4 print dialog works correctly for printing profile targets. The driver correctly defaults to ColorSync and in the Main window default to No Correction.

With these new Canon driver it all seems to work perfectly.

Hi 'Was DYP'.

Your experience is an interesting development and may give us a clue as to what is going on here.

I understand that you are using Mac OSX 10.6, Snow Leopard ??All the tests and postings that I have read so far relate to Leopard and Tiger (10.5 and 10.4).?Perhaps the problem has been fixed in Snow Leopard ?

It would be necessary, therefore, to eliminate whether it is the operating system or the driver that is contributing to the problem.

May I suggest the following.

Print a colour test chart or calibration patches, using 'No Color Management' and with the printer's colour management turned off, using Photoshop CS3 or older (preferable CS2 as I have not tested CS3).?This print will be the benchmark standard.

Then make the same print with the same settings using Photoshop CS4, and compare.

If you have time and inclination it would be helpful to conduct the same test under different operating systems and with different printer drivers thus eliminating once and for all where the problem lies (and a lot of online speculation).

It would also be helpful to have some rigorously meticulous tests published so those of us who cannot yet print without colour management from CS4 can identify where the problem lies and put pressure on the appropriate vendor for a solution.

All good wishes,

Simon Simpson

It is obviously the printer drivers.

The fact that I can produce identical targets with the old printing path (ID, PSCS2) and the new printing path (PSCS4) proves. PSCS3 is the odd man out here as it went through an update that changed printing. It was a early attempt at using the new printing path, chasing a moving target, although it appears to implement everything correctly in the new Canon drivers.

I have no desire to go back to the printing messes and workaround to getting everything working in 10.4.x or 10.5.x. Everything works correctly for me with Canon printers in 10.6.1 and also any desire to again mess with Epson and their printers/drivers has long ago disappeared.

Canon appears to understand printing in the latest Apple OS, even to the extent of providing different printing filters to bypass the Apple bug where printing form Indesign as vector elements (Print as Bitmap unchecked) introduces the monitor profile in to the printflow.

I'm having a similar but slightly different problem. Running 10.6.1 and PSCS4 with the latest driver for an Epson 11880 (6.13) I can't get any printout with ''no color management'' checked. The driver appears to send the data to the printer, the printer fires up and transports the material through the path but the page is blank. Same file prints fine to a lazer printer though PSCS4 and prints to the 11880 fine out of PSCS3. The file prints fine out of PSCS4 with color management turned on as well..... of course that is not how I need to print this particular project. Any thoughts would be great.